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\nWhen you hear the word forensic do you automatically think of CSI and other TV series that use science to solve crimes?\u00a0 Now we have forensic cleaners who are being used more and more in property and we tell you why.
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\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 When we hear the word \u201cforensic,\u201d we quite often think of CSI<\/i> and those crime shows on TV where they go into all of the forensic science. But forensic cleaning is something we don\u2019t get to talk about very often. There is a company in Brisbane that we can touch base with now to learn a little bit more about what\u2019s involved. That\u2019s BVM Clean Scene. Pam Marsden is from that company.
\nPam, thank you very much for your time.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 My pleasure, Kevin.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Tell me, firstly, what is a forensic cleaner, and what do you do?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Specifically, it\u2019s cleaning up crime scenes, death scenes. It could also branch into squalids. Basically, mostly things that nobody else wants to do.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 You\u2019ve been doing it for quite some time because I understand you were, in fact, Australia\u2019s first established forensic cleaning company. Is that right?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 That\u2019s correct.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 How did the company come about?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 It came about because there was a niche. I read about a lady in the States who was doing it, and I thought, \u201cThat sounds fascinating.\u201d I did a bit of investigating and there was nothing. It used to be left to people who had been previous victims of crime themselves, and I thought, \u201cThis isn\u2019t right.\u201d I thought, \u201cThere\u2019s a need here and I\u2019ll fill it.\u201d That\u2019s how it came about. I started it on the 1st<\/sup> of November, 1996.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Has your business changed in recent times? Here, I\u2019m referring to the growth that we\u2019re seeing in meth labs.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Yes, it certainly is a growth industry at the moment.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Tell me how broad it is. We don\u2019t get to hear a lot about it unless the police do a raid and then we hear about it. Are you being called in more and more?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 I think it\u2019s the tip of the iceberg, really. Yes, it is. It\u2019s huge. Unfortunately, because there\u2019s not really \u2013 probably \u2013 suitable regulation, a lot of it\u2019s going under the radar.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 That\u2019s a bit scary.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 It\u2019s very scary.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard of people doing this type of activity even in motels. Have you seen that?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Absolutely, and in car boots and caravans. They just go anywhere.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 I believe it would be very toxic so tell me about what precautions we need to take if we\u2019re actually going to move into a house where this has been exposed.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 You really need to make absolutely sure that the place has been decontaminated because they remain toxic for a very, very long time if they\u2019re not cleaned. There are some ghastly chemicals involved in the making of this stuff. It just goes on.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Is there a test kit that we can get before we move into a property just to make sure this hasn\u2019t been going on?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 That\u2019s a very good question. I\u2019m not sure. I\u2019m sure there must be plenty of test kits you can get. I do test strips to send off to a laboratory. That\u2019s probably a bit much for a resident to try and do each time they move into a place.
\nBut really, there should be a history. In America, if a property has been a clandestine drug lab, they are obliged to tell the tenant or the buyer about it, whereas that doesn\u2019t happen here.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 I was going to ask you that question, whether or not there is an obligation for disclosure.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 No.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 There\u2019s not, at all.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 No, there\u2019s not. It\u2019s the same with crime scenes. The only thing that they\u2019re obliged to tell you about is a murder, but violent crime and all the rest of it, no.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Good, because we have heard of instances around Australia where people have purchased a property and then found out a ghastly murder had taken place in there. They\u2019ve even been able to overturn some of those transactions because they didn\u2019t want to move in.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 That happened here with the Gonzalez murders. A house that was in a suburb in Sydney, we cleaned it and then it was sold to a family from Burma. Of course, they\u2019re very sensitive about spirits and all the rest of it. They actually got out of the sale, so now it\u2019s called the Gonzalez Effect and they have to disclose the fact that there has been a murder on the premises.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 It must be terrible on a personal level for you to go to some of these awful murder scenes. How do you handle that?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 I have a nursing background, so that probably helps. Also, we\u2019re not actually emotionally involved. We get satisfaction from actually making the place look much better and acceptable to people who have to come in and get their relative\u2019s possessions, etc.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Getting back to meth labs for a moment, if I were to walk into a house where a meth lab had been set up, what could I expect? What would that smell be like?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Sometimes you can detect a chemical smell. Some people confuse it with if you go into a squalid premise, it smells like rotten food, the freezer has gone off or whatever. But a meth lab that\u2019s been in clean premises, it\u2019s really the chemical smell.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 That\u2019s the smell. What about discoloration of the walls? Is that a factor?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Sometimes, especially because a lot of these things will catch light because they\u2019re quite flammable, as well. If there\u2019s been a fire, then obviously, yes. Sometimes there is a discoloration.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Tell me about situations other than drug labs and murder scenes. I understand also you have been called in to clean up some pretty filthy houses, as well.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 The hoarders and the squalids, that\u2019s right. Once again, it was something that nobody else wanted to do, so it fell into our lap. Yes, we do that, too.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 We\u2019ve seen on television those hoarder type shows, and I\u2019m quite horrified to think that people would live in that kind of squalor. Do you see that very regularly?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Yes, there\u2019s a lot of it out there. Once again, it\u2019s the tip of an iceberg. What you hear about is just a small proportion of actually what goes on. Often, these people are only discovered when they have to go into hospital, and then, of course, the social work department goes out to see what the conditions that they live in are and are horrified.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 What\u2019s the worst one you\u2019ve had to clean up?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 It was probably a premises in Bondi, and we couldn\u2019t even open the front door more than about four inches. It was up at door level, the height. We just had to pick it away until we could open the door and keep going. It was unbelievable.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Is it normally squalor, foodstuffs and things like that, or is it newspapers and cartons?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 It\u2019s everything, Kevin. They go around, the council clean-ups, and they bring all the stuff home regardless of whether it\u2019s workable, or they want it, or whatever. They just bring it home. It\u2019s a mental illness, though. Yes, it\u2019s a problem.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 When you have to go in and clean these premises up with those bad smells and so on, do you use chemicals or natural-based products?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Usually it\u2019s natural-based products. We have a machine for the unattended deaths that have been there for quite some time. I have a machine that runs for 24 hours to get rid of the odor.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Pam, before I let you go, I wanted to cover off again on that disclosure element because that somewhat concerns me \u2013 that there is no obligation to disclose, particularly if there has been drug manufacturing happen in a rental unit or a house. That\u2019s right across Australia, is it?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 I don\u2019t know about right across Australia, but certainly New South Wales. The police put a notice on the door of drug labs that they\u2019ve busted, but it\u2019s up to the council to see to it that these properties are decontaminated properly. But really, because there is a lack of regulation, I don\u2019t think it happens as much as it should be.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 If I were a landlord and my rental property were used as a drug lab, am I responsible for having it cleaned up? In other words, do I have to pay for your services?
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 Unfortunately, yes you do, unless you have insurance. But a lot of insurance companies won\u2019t touch this sort of thing because they\u2019re extremely expensive procedures.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 Tell me how much it would cost if someone had been operating a meth lab.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 It\u2019s a bit like asking me how long a piece of string is because everything is different. In a car boot, it\u2019s a bit different to a four-bedroom, two-story house or something.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 I suppose in a large house, it would permeate all of the rooms, not just the one where it was done.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 It does. We\u2019ve had to take the whole Gyprock wall system down in some houses. It\u2019s just unbelievable. It depends on the severity of the drug lab, too, how long it\u2019s been operating, and the lab test results when they come back.
\nKevin:<\/b>\u00a0 The company is called BVM Clean Scene. My guest has been Pam Marsden.
\nPam, thank you so much for your time.
\nPam:<\/b>\u00a0 My pleasure, Kevin. Thank you for your call.
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